enthusiastic about romney, and they're enthusiastic about ryan. the winner of this race will have real legitimacy. this is not going to be a thing where they say, well, he really didn't represent our caution. now that -- if the president wins re-election, then you're going to see sort of policies along the clinton line when it comes to tax on top earners. you're going to see the health care bill stay in place. you'll see regulation of wall street stay in place and see these things happen. if by the same token if romney wins, he'll have the authority of an election behind him, so i think this gives the next president a real boost when he gets in there. >> i think one of the key things about the debate is it's change -- we will look back on it as an historic moment in this election. it upended things. this is what it upended. barack obama was supposed to be the sort of moderate centrist fellow who looked at mitt romney, this extreme, strange fellow. by the time that debate was over, mitt romney seemed a completely moderate centrist figure who showed